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·  The problem of bending boards

·  Simple Formulas and a Handy Table for Bending Stuff

·  Mathematics of Bending

·  Comments from Yahoo Boatbuilder Group Members on bending wood.

·  Why Large Polytarp Sails face Difficulties

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Wood costs of building a boat

The cost of boatbuilding is central to my so-called research.  I liken amateur boatbuilding to the US getting to the Moon in 1969.  They were greatly constrained by weight considerations, and to lesser extent by cost considerations.  Home boatbuilders are constrained by cost and effort.  The analogy may be silly ... but it keeps me happy ... very happy.   You could once find a link to Michalak's essay, Boat Costs, at  the bottom of this page at Links, ect. Recently, I have not found it on the web. I have a backup copy but cannot distribute without verifying that permission to do so is granted.

The cost of wood ranges from 30% to 60% of the cost of the entire boat. I think.  Budget boats often have a higher fractional wood cost because cheap wood is not really that cheap.  On the other hand, cheap masts, sails, rigging, and surface protection can be very cheap. 

Shown below is a chart of the cost of wood versus thickness for various low-cost wood options.  Since  marine ply made from northern softwoods can be purchased for only about twice the cost  the alternatives, we have to consider it as suitable for a "cheap" boat.  The ubiquitous 1.5 inch (e.g. "2x4") board may have the most promise in low cost boatbuilding.  At less than $1 per pound these thick boards might make cheap ballast, more expensive than water, but much easier to construct and maintain, perhaps.  If placed at the bottom of a flat hull, the difference in mass density between the materials is not very significant.

Keep in mind that I have yet to convince myself that home construction lumber has any suitability as material for the hull of a boat that is intended to last.  That is the spirit of this entire website.  It's amateur science ... but it's real science.  Don't look for practical boatbuilding tips.  Instead, look for ways to contribute with your own investigations.

I obtained this data from a local Lumber yard (Carters), as well as two or three sources on the internet.  The local lumberyard had the best prices in every category. 

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The Problem of Bending Boards

Here I introduce a simple model for the bending of wood without the use of steam or chemicals.  This is a "model" because all equations, graphs, and tables are just a "model" of reality.  See Plato's Allegory of the Cave.  The model is "simple" because it is restricted to the so-called "elastic" limit of gentle bending, because I assume that the thickness of the wood is small compared with the other lengths, that the bending is an exact arc of a circle.  Above all, the model is "simple" because wood is complicated.   I developed this model and posted it on the internet to see what others thought.  Their comments cause me to believe that this is a bad model, in spite of the fact that the math is right.  The problem is that wood is like people; nobody's perfect, any board that is not "perfect"  will not will not exactly obey these equations.  The model does seem to work with plywood ... or so they say. 

This section is divided into two parts:

I would greatly appreciate any data anybody wishes to contribute:  If you tell me your "rule" for bending wood, I think I can incorporate your data into this discussion.   I am also interested in knowing how close people are willing to come to this breaking point.

Click here to see comments from boatbuilders. They ALL say that these tables and charts are not reliable.   

Simple Formulas and a Handy Table for bending stuff

These variables are the boards thickness, "T", the deflection of the board, "y", and a parameter I call "z", which is approximately equal to the length.   The picture to the below and to the right shows these three parameters

When you are gently bending wood to form a boat, there are actually two lengths to think about.  The figure to the right (above) depicts the length of the board before it is bent as "s", and the length along the axis of the boat, "x".  My parameter "z" is between these lengths and has the advantage of permitting simple clean formulas.  Simple but nasty-looking trig formulas can be used to replace "z" by "s" or "x".

The formula is:

    Ymax = 0.005 P z2/T    

I had to include one more parameter, "P", which is the maximum possible strain on the wood, in "percent".    My best guess is that the estimated breaking point occurs at at a strain of 0.004 = 0.4%  (P = 0.4).  Of course nobody would want to bend the wood this far. 

Example:   Suppose you wanted to build a 22 ft boat using bottom planks that are 1.5 inches thick.  From the figure, we would be bending about 11 ft of board.  We must convert 1.5 inches to 1.5/12 =0.125 ft.  Taking P = 0.4, we have:

    Ymax = 0.002 z2/T       [Estimated Breaking Point]

    Ymax = 0.002 (11 ft)2  /  (0.125 ft) = 1.94 ft     [Estimated Breaking Point]

Personally, I would not want to bend wood to within a factor of 4 of this limit.  So I would go to about 6 inches.  Does anybody agree or disagree?

The above formulas work for any consistent set of units.  Hence, if you a bending wood for a small model boat, and the wood is 11 cm long and 0.125 cm thick, the maximum deflection is 1.94 cm.  Sometimes it's nice to use inconsistent units.  I like to measure wood thickness in inches and all the other dimensions in feet.  Hence the following formula:

    Ymax (feet) = 0.024 (Z-ft)2/(T-in)     [Estimated Breaking Point]

Taking the previous example of an 11-ft board that is 1.5 inches thick, we get the same answer: Ymax = .024 x 11 x 11 / 1.5 = 1.94 ft.

 Handy Table:  We can get the same result from the following table, which I made from the formula above (at P = 0.4).  The table does not show a 1.5 inch thick plank that is 11 ft lont.  But the average results for 10 ft and 12 ft is 1.95 ft.

Estimated Ymax (in feet) at rupture in feet for various board lengths and thicknesses.  The maximum strain is taken to be 0.004.  As stated before, with low cost planks, I would dived all values of Ymax shown below by a factor of perhaps 4.

 

 

Thickness of board

 

0.25 in

0.375 in

0.5 in

0.75 in

1in

1.5 in

Length

 

 

 

 

 

 

1 ft

.096

0.064

0.048

0.024

0.02

0.016

2 ft

0.38

0.26

0.19

0.13

0.10

0.06

3 ft

0.86

0.58

0.43

0.29

0.22

0.14

4 ft

1.54

1.02

0.77

0.51

0.38

0.26

5 ft

2.40

1.60

1.20

0.80

0.60

0.40

6 ft

3.46

2.30

1.73

1.15

0.86

0.58

7 ft

4.70

3.14

2.35

1.57

1.18

0.78

8 ft

6.14

4.10

3.07

2.05

1.54

1.02

9 ft

7.78

5.18

3.89

2.59

1.94

1.30

10 ft

9.60

6.40

4.80

3.20

2.40

1.60

12 ft

13.82

9.22

6.91

4.61

3.46

2.30

14 ft

18.82

12.54

9.41

6.27

4.70

3.14

16 ft

24.58

16.38

12.29

8.19

6.14

4.10

18ft

31.10

20.74

15.55

10.37

7.78

5.18

20 ft

38.40

25.60

19.20

12.80

9.60

6.40

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Mathematics of Bending

This "derivation"of the basic formula assumes a knowledge of calculus, and is little more than the basic equations and figures involved:

Solve for y to get, y = (0.5M)(z2/T), where .01P = M = dL/L is the maximum strain.  Actually, the formula for the change in length dL/L = T/R may overestimate the actual strain.  I have assumed no strain on one side of the wood.  This is reasonable because many boatbuilders will not optimize the location of zero strain by subjecting the wood to the right amount of tension or compression.

Shown below are three estimates of P

Estimate #1

P= 1, From personal experience with two sticks (one broke and the other did not).

I once bent quarter inch thick piece of clear pine lath to near the breaking point. The deflection was .75 in and z was 6 in.  Hence the maximum strain was (2)(.25)(.75)/36 = .01, or about 1%.  I know I was near the breaking point because the board snapped on a prior attempt.  I also bent it around a single point, so the maximum radius of curvature was less than the  z2/2y

Estimate #2

P = 0.4: From Recreational Aviation Australia [ http://www.auf.asn.au/scratchbuilder/contents.html ]

The table below shows data for  Douglas fir. As I understand the chart, the only modulus of elacticity (strain/stress) is 1550k psi.  For the ultimate strength parallel to the grain, I take the minimum of 12300 psi and 6500 psi.  This yields a strain of 6500/1550000 = .004, or 0.4%. 

Strength value

Douglas fir

Density at 12% moisture content [pounds per cubic foot]

32.5

Static bending: fibre stress at proportional limit [pounds/sq. inch]

6700

Static bending:   modulus of rupture   [pounds/sq. inch] 

12 300

Static bending:  modulus of elasticity   [thousand pounds/sq. inch] 

1550 k

Compression parallel to grain:  fibre stress at proportional limit  [pounds/sq. inch]

4850

Compression parallel to grain:  maximum crushing strength  [pounds/sq. inch ]

6500

Compression perpendicular to grain  [pounds/sq. inch]

1100

Shearing strength parallel to grain  [pounds/sq] 

1000

Hardness  [load required in pounds] 

640

Tension strength parallel to grain  [= modulus of rupture ]

12300

Tension strength perpendicular to grain  [pounds/sq. inch] 

130

Estimate #3

P = 0.4 for plywood from William Watts' website http://web.ncf.ca/ag384/Boats.htm

This is a wonderful site that may not stay up too long.  He quotes the following table from "Boatbuilding Manual 3rd edition" by Robt. M. Steward (1987).

Plywood thickness

Minimum Radius (across grain)

Minimum Radius
(with grain)

1/4               

24              

60

5/16             

24              

72

3/8               

36              

96

1/2               

72             

144

5/8                

96             

192

3/4              

144             

240

 Using Excel to convert these into strains (T/R), I then graphed the results:

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Comments from Yahoo Boatbuilder Group on bending wood.

LC wrote: It's important to know how clear the grain is.

NM wrote:  Formulas should work fine for plywood but solid wood is highly variable. Moisture content, ring density, reaction wood, shakes, how it was dried, how it was milled etc can throw off mechanical properties you find in any table. Experimental stress analysis is your best option or use a large factor of safety. Read Bruce Hoadley's books. I do applaud your efforts though.............Now to answer your question (How much can you bend wood?)...Until it breaks.

MC wrote: Formulas should work fine for plywood but solid wood is highly variable. Moisture content, ring density, reaction wood, shakes, how it was dried, how it was milled etc can throw off mechanical properties you find in any table. Experimental stress analysis is your best option or use a large factor of safety. Read Bruce Hoadley's books. I do applaud your efforts though. 

My response:  There is a problem with experimental stress analysis.  Since a planked boat can have over 10 planks, we must multiply the chances of 1 plank breaking by about 10 to get the chances of failure in the boat.  If you want that probability to be less than 1 in 100 (pretty risky sailing!) then you need to test about 1000 planks.  No thanks.

WCS wrote: Anhydrous ammonia can be used to make extreme bends in wood. I've seen photos of square pieces of wood tied in a knot. If the link below won't work, try googling ' bending wood anhydrous ammonia 'for more information.

http://www.allbusiness.com/furniture-related/office-furniture-including/644819-1\.html

My response:  It just never ends.  Now I have something new to investigate.  Don't local corn and bean farmers use this type of ammonia?

Links, ect.

o        Boat Costs
o        Sail-Area Math
o        Ballanced Lug Jiffy Reef
o        Ballast: water   Calculations 1    Calculations 2    Calculations 3   
o        Knockdown Recovery: Part 1   Part 2

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